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Market Blog - Written by Doug Winter on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 16:38 - 15 Comments

What’s Hot/What’s Not: End of 2008 and Beginning of 2009

What a difference a year makes. I can remember sitting down in December 2007 to compile my annual What’s Hot/What’s Not list for 2008 and thinking “every area in the market is so strong right now, what am I going to force myself to list as ‘not hot?” Fast forward to December 2008 and now it seems like I have to pull ideas out of the hat like Numismatic Rabbits to come up with areas that are hot while the “not so hot” areas seems a lot easier to ponder.

But perhaps I’m being a little harsh here. Just as in late 2007 where the real truth of the market was not as obvious as it seemed (in retrospect maybe not every single facet of the market was so strong…) perhaps the real truth today is that while some areas of the market do seem poised for major corrections, others will probably hold out better than eternal pessimists like myself might presume.

OK, enough of the prelude. Let’s get to the heart of the matter and discuss the Hot/Not Hot list of 2009.

I. Hot Series in Late 2008/Early 2009

a) Great Coins

My guess is that really great one-of-a-kind, super-duper, unforgettable types of coins will do well in the coming months. Obviously, only a small number of coins qualify as such. What would a few examples of these be? Taking the Heritage 2009 FUN Platinum Night sale as a base, I think examples would include the ex: Garrett 1815 half eagle graded MS64 by NGC (Lot 4062), one of two known 1842-C Small Date half eagles (this one is a PCGS MS62 and is Lot 4069) and the uber-cool NGC PR64 1842 half eagle (lot 4078) that is one of just two known and has a fantastic pedigree that goes back over a century. The market for coins like these is limited but the buyers who are likely to purchase any of these have deep pockets and are probably a bit more Recession-proof than Joe Collector.

b) Solid Collector Coins in Strongly-Collected Markets

To use a non-gold coin series as an example, take a look at the prices that interesting Large Cents have been bringing at auction in the past year. There are three different collector bases for Large Cents (early dates, middle dates and late dates) with very little overlap but similarly zealous enthusiasm. This will be severely tested in 2009 when the Naftzger middle dates, Dan Holmes and March Wells collections all go on the auction block. Will this be a scenario like the Southern Gold Tsunami of 1999-2000 when three major collections flooded the market and effectively killed it or will it foster new collectors and inject even more life into this area of market? I tend to former the later scenario.

To further add to this point, I think the collector-oriented gold coins that are the strongest right now are those in the sub-$10,000 range. The air is a little thin for coins priced above this unless they are very fresh, very choice and very interesting.

c) Type One Double Eagles

This area is strong for two reasons. The first is the good ‘ol double play impact. With any Liberty Head double eagle worth at least $1,000-1,100 in XF grades, this added value and demand for the boring, lower-grade common issues. The second is continued collector demand for higher grade and rare issues. As an example, the key 1854-O and 1856-O remain in great demand and both set record prices in 2008 at auction. I can think of at least six other dates off the top of my head (1854-S, 1855-O, 1859-O, 1860-O, 1861-O and 1863) that also set price records in 2008 whether at auction or via private treaty. I believe that demand will remain very strong in 2009 for interesting Type Ones.

II. Not Hot Series in late 2008/early 2009

a) Schlocky Overgraded Coins in Nearly Any Series

Let’s face an unavoidable truth: there are a lot of really junky coins overhanging the coin market right now. If you look on many dealers’ websites (or in their cases at a show like FUN) you are going to see some familiar faces. You know what I mean: coins that have been around for months (or years in some instances) because they are too dark or too bright or have some sort of problem that makes them low-end for the grade. In the past, there were always bottom feeder collectors and dealers who would buy low-end “stuff” at the right price but many of these individuals have been Slapped by the Recession already and are not as active as they were. Until much of this stuff leaves the market (and there are hundreds of millions of dollars worth of coins like this out there right now) expect to see them languish in dealer’s inventories (or go unsold at auction) and drag values down in the published price guides.

b) Unpopular Coins With Questionable Market Premium Factors

If a coin in a largely unpopular series is currently selling for a 10-30% premium because of a low mintage figure or a slightly low PCGS/NGC population, it is likely that it will lose much (or all) of its MPF. Some examples of these coins are a number of the quarter eagles from the 1880’s and 1890’s, certain lower mintage Three Dollar gold pieces from the 1880’s and many of the San Francisco Type Three double eagles from the 1890’s and early 1900’s in grades up to and including MS63.

c) Crappy, Processed Charlotte and Dahlonega Mint Gold
As someone who is pretty widely-known as a leading dealer in Charlotte and Dahlonega gold, it pains me to look at a majority of the coins on the market today. Overgraded junque is, I’m afraid, the rule rather than the exception and a considerable amount of said material overhangs the market. Until recently, there were always bottom feeders who bought the nastiest C+D rejects at the right (read: c-h-e-a-p) price but many of these Numismatic Catfish have current cashflow crises to deal with. Personally, I’d like to take the 300-400+ truly vile C+D coins that travel like gypsies from auction to auction and inventory to inventory and melt them. This would allow the nice, original coins (which still have solid collector demand) to regain their place in the sun.

d) Indian Quarter Eagles

Dead as a doorknob. Sleeping with the fishes. Circling the drain. Numismatic Cannon Fodder. Muerto.
Did I mention that this series is pretty slow right now?



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RYK - Dec 23, 2008  07:25 pm

Doug,

Very entertaining and interesting blog.

As a generalist in rare date gold and someone who cannot afford the 1815 $5 or the 1842 proof $5, but appreciates them as much as anyone, I would like to propose another category. I will call them near-great coins (or not-quite-as-great coins). These are coins that share some of the characteristics of the great ones, but are more reachable for the middling collector of gold coins. These might include a VF 1861-D $5 (great history), a proof common date $3 from the Garrett collection (great pedigree), or a Charlotte quarter eagle from the SS Central America in the original gold label PCGS holder (great story).

I am going to be looking for coins like this in 2009 and predict that I will continue to have a lot of competition.

RYK

JLRiddell - Dec 23, 2008  08:51 pm

Doug,

I predict that 2009 will be very choppy– some coins with a story or well known (great coins) will continue to go for premiums. But some rare coins that are off the beaten path will not. Many coins will not meat their reserve early in the year as sellers remember the days of 2007 and 2008. And fewer coins will be offered as sellers pull back. As they say on Wall Street, “It will be a coin picker’s market”.

ranshdow - Dec 24, 2008  11:40 am

I for one like the idea of original, VF grade Half Eagles from interesting branch mints as retaining appeal going forward, especially as such can be had in the $2500-or-less pricepoint. They certainly have appeal for me.

Doug Winter - Dec 24, 2008  08:13 pm

I agree!
There are, it should be pointed out, certain issues in this area where a nice EF coin can be had for just a few hundred dollars more.

Doug Winter - Dec 24, 2008  08:16 pm

I think the Coin Market of 2009 will be an especially selective one. I’m not certain that I agree with you about fewer coins being offered. Take a look at the size of Heritage’s 2009 FUN sale and you’ll see a TON of coins being offered. I think there will be few really neat coins available but this seems to have been the case since the early part of this decade.

Doug Winter - Dec 24, 2008  08:18 pm

RYK: I think all of the coins you mentioned are “great” in their own right. They might not be six-figure rarities like the 1815 eagle but I can’t think of many collectors who wouldn’t want a nice VF 1861-D half eagle or a Choice Proof $3.00 pedigreed to the Garrett Collection.

JLRiddell - Dec 25, 2008  09:28 am

Doug,

Actually, we agree. What I meant was that fewer original coins (in other words, coins this group would be interested in) would be offered. This is the only market we are really interested in, either as observers or participants.

I instinctively screen out of my thinking all the schlock. I think there are these two markets generally. The schlock coins will always be there creating noise, distraction and pitfalls for the novices, the naive and uneducated, and the low end dealers who take advantage of them.

Doug Winter - Dec 28, 2008  02:47 pm

Couldn’t agree more. And I like your “making noise” analogy.

Martin Kaplan - Dec 29, 2008  07:40 pm

The area of ancient coins, world coins and world bank notes has continued to realize appreciating prices. Yes, the world is having the same, or even more, economic challenges that our country has, but for great coins and notes the demand far outstrips the supply. Collectors of U.S. coins and notes should expand their horizons – it is a big world and other country’s numismatic material offers far, far greater potential.

RYK - Dec 29, 2008  07:56 pm

“…it is a big world and other country’s numismatic material offers far, far greater potential.”

Potential for what?

I have zero interest in these areas with the exception of foreign coins that circulated in the early US. If I had the choice between collecting ancient Greek coins or nothing, I would choose nothing.

Doug Winter - Dec 29, 2008  08:03 pm

Martin: I basically disagree with you. As long as the US economy remains many times larger than the rest of the world’s, I think the “action” is going to be in this country’s coins. While I find the coinage of, say, Australia very interesting due to my liking that country I don’t see any potential in collecting that country’s coin. I think foreign material is interesting but I have no doubt that it will continue to languish with the exception of strong new economies like China and India or short bursts of heat like with Russian coinage.

Alan Nathanson - Dec 29, 2008  09:22 pm

I am primarily an American currency collector although I have an interest in American numismatic gold coins as well. Being originally from North Carolina, I would love to own a really nice Charlotte half eagle, either an 1842 large date, an 1844 or perhaps an 1848. My preferred grade would be an AU55 or AU58. I see lots of very ugly ones on eBay that I wouldn’t touch with a ten foot pole. I agree with Mr. Winter that someone should collect all of this stuff and melt them down. My question is this: How reliable are PCGS and NGC grading in the 55-58 area? I know one should never buy the slab, but rather buy the note or the coin.
Can anyone suggest a few reliable dealers with an internet presence who may have some of these available for sale either now or in the intermediate term future?

Best wishes for a happy and prosperous 2009!

RYK - Dec 29, 2008  10:10 pm

Alan,

Ebay is more of a liquidation venue than a place to buy high quality better date gold coins. Occasionally, one might come across a nice piece, but this is the exception, rather than the rule. Ebay is about the last place I would look for these coins.

The grading services are not very consistent for the AU-55 to 58 grades in southern gold. There is a wide range of coins in these holders from those that are scrubbed up XF coins to coins that might make a 61 or 62 on a good day. If you do not know what you are doing, you should probably get professional help. Also, the CAC certification may offer an extra layer of protection.

Doug would be an excellent person to find you one of these pieces. Of the three dates you suggest, I would recommend the 1842 or the 1848 Charlotte $5 pieces, as the 1844-C $5 tends not to come very nice.

investing in gold coins - Jan 2, 2009  08:52 am

Well, I’ll tell you the one coin I’m excited about for early 2009 – the new St. Gaudens. It should be pretty interesting to see how these come out.

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